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E-bikes have been banned by default from natural-surface, singletrack mountain bike trails in Washington State by a new bill that just passed the state legislature. The bill grants e-bike access to paved bike paths and lanes, and depending on the class, sidewalks.

Like most of the recent e-bike bills that have been passed at the state level, including the recent bill in Colorado, the Washington State bill breaks e-bikes into three classes based on the speeds they can achieve and whether or not they have a throttle. Regardless of the class of e-bike, “generally, a person may not operate an electric-assisted bicycle on a trail that is designated as non-motorized and that has a natural surface, unless otherwise authorized by the state agency or local authority having jurisdiction over the trail,” according to bill SB 6434.

The Washington State bill differs dramatically in this respect from the Colorado bill, which allows e-bikes to travel on mountain bike trails by default. The Washington State bill bans e-bikes by default. However, in both instances, the local land management agency still has the right to either ban or allow e-bikes on a case-by-case basis.

Photo courtesy Bosch

The exact language in the bill is a result of the Evergreen Mountain Bike Alliance (EMBA) working closely with “non-motorized recreation groups to assist the Legislature in refining the bill’s language,” according to a press release on the EMBA website. “Evergreen collaborated with other outdoor recreation groups to include language defining natural surface trails, and treating them differently than paved bike paths. The end result is that e-bikes are not allowed on natural surface trails, unless signed or stated open by the managing jurisdiction.

“We are satisfied with the outcome of this initial legislation, as it addresses a critical need for urban bike commuters, and gives land managers specific authority to implement e-bike policies,” the release continues. “It also recognizes that there is a crucial difference between road and trail use and it enables Evergreen to work on future legislation specific to trails, if deemed necessary.”

Why the effort on EMBA’s part? In addition to citing e-bike concerns posed by some of EMBA’s partners and possible funding issues, EMBA fears the “potential loss of trail access if land managers choose to close trails to all ‘bikes’ because e-bikes are now defined as bicycles.”

E-bikes are currently managed as motorized vehicles by the Bureau of Land Management and US Forest Service federal land management agencies, which in places like Colorado precludes the vast majority of nonmotorized trails from being used by e-bikes. While many trails in Washington are located on land managed by these agencies, it’s notable that none of the three highest-rated mountain bike trails in Washington according to Singletracks members–Galbraith Mountain, Tiger Mountain, and Duthie Hill–are located on federal land.

Consequently, this ruling by the state legislature could be poised to severely limit electric mountain bike adoption and usage in the state.

# Comments

    • Steve D

      I missed the mention of e-bikes in the Bill of Rights, but your comment was an incredible contribution to the scope of the article.

    • windfred

      Why would you want to carry an e-bike?

  • jbcktm

    e-bikes are motorcycles – period! I have traveled many stretches of trail used by off road motorcycles that also don’t show any significant wear – so this isn’t much of a gauge. All it takes is increased use, some bad weather, etc. and then the powers to be will start closing down the trails for everyone.

    Any type of power delivery (electric or gasoline) that exceeds a human (~1/4HP sustained) is going to accelerate trail wear. You either only allow human powered vehicles or you don’t – that’s how trails should be defined in my humble opinion.

    • Sea Loam

      Every state should follow example. This E- motorbike “sport” is disgraceful. When you can climb a very steep grade at higher than humanly possible speed, its going to be a disaster for any descending rider. But , unless we stop buying from the companies producing these E-Motor MTN Bikes then we help promote.

    • David Jeske

      This is a really interesting observation…. “any type of power delivery that exceeds a human is going to accelerate trail wear. ”

      What if the power assist systems were tuned to only supplement the rider ONLY to get them up to the power output of a fit human?

      Sustained for a few hours, an average-fit human is 200w or 1/3hp, while a top amateur is 350 watts or 1/2hp, and a pro is 500 watts or 0.67hp. Sprinting for 30 seconds, some claims say pros can do 1500-2000 watts. Let’s call a reasonable trail figure 350 watts sustained, 1500 watts for 20 second sprints.

      If a rider put in 200 watts, the system could add 150 watts extra. If a rider put in 50 watts, the system could put in 300 watts extra. Likewise, on a short 20s sprint basis, if the rider put in 400 watts, the system could supplement up to 1500 watts for 20s. I don’t want to get buried in the mathematics, I’m just trying to illustrate that an electric assist system could be designed just to bring less athletic folks up to the level of athletic folks, for the purpose of trail usage and wear.

    • Steve Dallas

      Actually, it is shown that ebikes, which have larger volume tires running lower pressure, are significantly less harmful to trails.

      While the ebikes are about 10-15 pounds heavier than an analog bike, that weight difference is well within the variance of rider weights which vary by 150 pounds or more. (just mentioning it because the weight of the ebikes has been used in this argument by others).

  • Bill Pitts

    This is discrimination based solely on age and/or on physical ability. Jack Slade, although opposed to e-bikes on single track, cites two valid reasons FOR allowing e-bikes.

    Greg, I have a question for your readers. When you reach that point in your life, either through age or through any physical/medical limitations, where you aren’t able to spin the pedals unassisted, will you deny yourself the joys of riding your favorite trails if it means using an e-bike?

    • rmap01

      Bill Pitts: This topic has been hotly debated on other threads. But since you asked for opinions I’ll provide my 2¢ as previously posted. In short, I am generally in agreement with Jack Slade. With that said, I believe what makes MTB such a great sport is the challenge. It requires a level of skill and fitness that’s dependent on the level of difficulty of the trails you ride. I started MTB’ing 5 years ago. Although I was in excellent “running” shape at the time the sport kicked my a$$. In the early days i was forced to walk steep semi-tech climbs, ate quite a bit of dirt and broke a few bones along the way. But that only made me more determined to improve my skills and overall fitness. My riding has grown by leaps and bounds but only because I had to – and continue to – put the effort in. To me, the way eMTB is being marketed to the masses is an affront to the sport. I’m over 50 and I realize at some point in the future my strength and skills will decline preventing me from riding certain trails that challenge me now. But doesn’t that really apply to most things in life? But that’s my motivation to keep pushing myself physically and mentally and I’m concerned that American culture is ever gravitating to taking the easy out. While I personally have no issue for those with heart issues that truly need the extra “assist” I can’t help but be concerned that its use will broaden far beyond those in need and has the “potential”, if abused, to jeopardize access to all MTB’ers. Maybe if I were diagnosed with a similar condition I have a different opinion… but I don’t think I would.

    • John Fisch

      In a word, yes.

      As it is, I have reached a point where I can’t ride trails I used to, or at least don’t because it’s too darn difficult.

      I have never even considered getting an e-bike to help me up those 3,000 vertical ft climbs I used to do with ease, but can no longer do.

      Either I find a way to overcome my recently imposed limitations, or I don’t do it at all. It’s that simple. If the bike does all or even some of the work getting me to the top, it’s not the same. If I have to cheat to win, I just won’t play in the first place.

    • Steve Dallas

      Finch, you should tell that to all the Pro Enduro and DH riders now using ebikes to train so they can double or triple the amount of riding they can do in a day. More miles more fun. Period.

    • Dick Howard

      When I reach that point I will not buy an eBike and try to rationalize it as “cycling”.

  • kenjamin

    I don’t understand the eMTB hatred. Every time I see one pass me on the trail during a grueling climb, I think “That looks like way more fun than what I’m doing”. I don’t see them riding any more uncontrolled or disturbing the trail surface more than a regular bike. They’re just having fun in both directions. Sounds great to me. The only reason I don’t have one is that I’m too scared I won’t want to ride my regular bike anymore. Plus, I think I could get the same workout going twice as far and seeing more of the mountains. Now, if you want to talk about banning horses on bike trails … let’s talk! (Not really, I believe in freedom.)

    • Steve Dallas

      You get it!
      Most of the hate comes from people that haven’t ridden them or ridden with them.
      I still ride a single speed MTB and a fat bike. And the ebike has actually helped improve both my skill AND fitness for riding my analog bikes.

  • Steve D

    As it is with many things in life, it’s not what it is but what it may (will) become. I’m 63 and as sympathetic as anyone about the desires of those whose age or infirmities might prohibit them from enjoying riding trails. However, I suspect that number of people in that demographic will quickly be overwhelmed by the likes of the Bosch rider in the picture that accompanies the article in every way (young, balls to the walls) except really being serious about mountain biking. I can only imagine the whooping it up I could have done when I was 14 years old on a motorized bike with half a dozen pals on the type of trail systems there are today. I started riding and racing mountain bikes when I was 55 and can ‘ditto’ the experiences and remarks of rmap01. It’s not apparent to me that mopeds ever really caught on but I can see where motorized trail riding and racing would easily become a great attraction to teens and young adults who are otherwise entirely capable of riding a real mountain bike. Apparently Bosch is already sponsoring riders (see jersey and photo credit). Where will the motorized racers practice (at full tilt)? At that point I suspect that a whole bunch of people (including the aged, infirm, and people who have to pedal) will just give up after being buzzed a couple of times by the no-effort, full-speed ahead gangs.

    • Throb

      My preference would be to treat E-bikes on trails like disabled parking. If you can qualify for the tag (age, injury, medical condition, etc), you can ride a class 1 anywhere. If not, your limited to motorized trails and private land. The problem is that there is not enough market in riders who really need assist. If we have full access, we will end up like Europe where 30% of mtb sales are e-bikes. That’s a 43% jump in users (and sales for the companies). I worry about that impact and about what kinds of trails those new users will demand to be created.

  • Moto Seb

    E-bikes have by definition a motor. I think they are a fantastic solution for human transportation, and have the potential to have a great impact in congested urban centers.

    My worries apply to both natural and paved surfaces:
    1) What is the guarantee to limit total output to human levels? None. Look at all power sports, and increases in power have been the norm over decades of development. Horsepower sells.
    2) When mixing powered motorized vehicles, with non motorized trail/bike path users, it boils down to speed differentials. The speed differential is why bicycles/farm equipment/pedestrians are not allowed on highways. It gets dangerous to have slow vehicles in a realm of fast ones, and vice versa.

    So my position, is to not allow powered bicycles on trails or bike paths designed for pedestrian/bicycle use, simply due to the increase potential in more users having the ability to go much faster/easier than before, creating large speed differentials. If there were guarantees that the power outputs would never exceed average human output, than I would be open to the conversation of pedal assist bicycles used along side normal bicycles, but history of business models and product development show this would not work.

    Now if e-bikes are to be used on shared roads with cars, or off road on dirt bike trails, then perfect, add the needed power and range, to decrease the speed differential.

  • Steve D

    Throb – I agree with your comments. E-bikers surely need trails built to suit faster, motorized traffic. The disabled parking analogy is a good one.

    • Steve Dallas

      They are not faster overall than a regular MTB. They just allow less ‘fit’ riders to keep up. Plus, on most of the downhill sections the assist isn’t even engaged because you surpass the 16 MPH assist limit.
      And yeah it would be nice to be as fit as some of those guys (and gals) but you know, some of us have jobs most of the week, and are old lol

  • 2wheelfun

    As all of you young peddling purest pass me on the trail I will also be peddling on my class-1 assist bike. Lets just give each other a thumbs up as you pass and know there is hope for you also when the time comes that you will no longer be able to peddle as you once were able too and there is hope to continue doing what you love on a assist bike. It dose bother me that I also see young healthy people riding e-bikes and they are usually the ones getting the exposure as in the headline picture of this article and raising questions “WHY ARE YOU YOUNG HEALTHY RIDING A E-BIKE”? How about some older or disabled pictures linking this article the way it should be. Lets show some love.

  • rik99

    1. The Washington State ban on e-bikes is most likely a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act if it does not allow exceptions to those who could not access the trails without the assistance that an e-bike provides.
    2. Assistance on e-bikes is limited to 20 mph for class 1 e-bikes, a speed routinely exceeded by unassisted bikes with in shape riders.
    3. I’ve test ridden e-bikes (Haibike and Bulls) on trails. Climbs are still hard, speed on level and downhill are still limited by prudence (crashing still hurts!).

  • TeamBiker

    Shame, shame, shame to Mike Alston (bill sponsor) and Evergreen Mountain Bike Alliance. How could you approve of this legislation?? The legislation would have been great, excluding one part…
    “Generally, a person may not operate an electric-assisted bicycle on a trail that is designated as
    nonmotorized and that has a natural surface, unless otherwise authorized by the state agency
    or local authority having jurisdiction over the trail.”
    As I understand it… and PLEASE correct me if i’m wrong, but this basically translates into… no ebikes on unpaved, non-motorized trails.
    Us bikers are supposed be united… an “alliance”, if you will. Legislation with a clause of this nature is divisive and harmful to the mtb community as a whole.
    Ebikers aren’t some crazy new breed of rider that we should fear. They are the same as us… they ARE us. Many of us own several bikes of different utility and use them accordingly. We have just embraced technology as it happened on us. Just like the microwave or the e-book, some cooks and readers of books were proudly slow to accept and adopt, while others saw immediate utility. Like so many others, I don’t suddenly become irresponsible when i ride an ebike, or somehow gain responsibility when i solely ride under my own power.
    Non-motorized trails in the in the back country were conceived for conservation, namely pollution or risk of fire -not for etching out an exclusion for battery assisted bicycles.
    If it is about speed, post an overall speed limit… or different speeds at different times.. That’s how a shared public road works… doesn’t matter if you’re driving a bike, e-bike, scooter, Prius, Tesla, or Mack truck – you have to obey the speed limit. The roads are for the young & healthy, our elder population, and our disabled. I’m sorry, but there are some jerks out there on the trails that are unsafe and selfish… they can be way too fast, tailgate, pass too close, etc. They may be behaving in such a way on a bike with 5″ wide tires with huge nobbies that shred the trails. Though now, we’ll have a smaller force and smaller voice to admonish the real troublemakers out there on the trails.
    Wow. To put so much time and effort into this legislation… it got us all excited, and hopeful and then this?? Selfish. Shameful. Divisive. C’mon, where’s the unifying love, mountain bikers? Or, are motor-less riders somehow more ethical or “pure”?? It is important to realize… sharing the trails with E-bikers would not have taken away that [baseless imo] belief.

  • wbike54az

    I wonder how many of the e-bike haters have even ridden one? Not sure where all the hate comes from online because I have never had anyone say anything negative about the bike in person(except my wife who calls it my cheater bike). Everyone who has seen it and ridden it has always had a smile on their face. I am 63 and have a Specialized Camber 29 which is my go to bike for me and I also have a Specialized Levo. For those who haven’t ridden an ebike they are limited to going 20 miles per hour. I too am concerned about access for all bikers but I think access should be determined at the local level. By the way they are not going to take the mountain biking sport by storm because they are fairly expensive, weigh over 50 lbs and their target market is for those who are over 50.

  • harryman

    The recent legislation in Colorado, also does not allow emtbs on non motorized singeltrack by default. Every piece of legislation written by People for Bikes, after the initial one in CA, including Washington States does. It allows land managers to opt in, but not have to opt out. Each piece of legislation makes it more clear than the previous, but they all only allow access on bike lanes and bike paths.

    “NOTE FOR ELECTRIC MOUNTAIN BIKE RIDERS: This map represents how e-bikes are interpreted in each state’s vehicle code, and where e-bikes are allowed to go on the road, bike lanes, bike paths, or other paved or hard-surface bicycle infrastructure. The vehicle code does not apply to electric mountain bike access on motorized and non-motorized trails typically used for hiking, biking, and other singletrack or doubletrack trail experiences. eMTB access on singletrack is different than access to paved and soft surface bike lanes and bike paths; eMTBs are not allowed everywhere traditional mountain bikes are; and on federal, state, county and local trails, eMTB access varies significantly. Always consult with your local land manager for access questions.”


    Here’s Colorado’s: http://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017A/bills/2017a_1151_signed.pdf

    • Jeff Barber

      The recent legislation in Colorado, also does not allow emtbs on non motorized singeltrack by default.

      That’s not exactly true. I did extensive research on this, speaking with the representatives who sponsored the bill, and interviewing land managers tasked with implementing the law. While People for Bikes or other sponsors of the bill may have intended the bill to work this way, in practice that is not how it’s being implemented.


    • rossico

      I’m of the mind that because e-bikes are motorized, they should be in the class of motorized use, and where there are rules governing motorized use on trails, subject to them. Where I live, we have a lot of trails that are perfect for them and open for them to use. Our singletrack that was non-motorized, remains so (and that excludes e-bikes).

      ADA rule applicability was adjudicated long ago (hence why you don’t see dirt trails being modified to allow wheelchairs, for example). Further, yes, it’s your tax dollars in many cases supporting these trails. But that’s also the case in places like the interstate, where rules regulate your ability to, say, ride your road bike on them (in most cases, you can’t). It’s an absurd comparison here, but it’s worth pointing out that taxpayer “rights to use” are not totally unfettered.

      People for Bikes is supported and primarily funded by the industry that makes these bikes. It’s their mission to expand access. Fine and all, but they’re not exactly objective.

  • harryman

    The two places where they are allowed at the moment are places where the land managers actively decided to allow them, State parks last fall and Jeffco just recently. The default is still not allowed unless specifically allowed. Just like Washington and the other states.

  • Sea Loam

    Its not that I hate E- Motorized bikes , its that I love real mountain biking. I promise once you E-bikers take over the trails and you will , its inevitable. The dangers you present will shut down the trails to everyone except hikers. I talked to some local legislators and that is the only option they have because once E-bikes are allowed the flood gates are opened on what constitutes a “Motor Bike”. So iam not saying this Battery Biking isn’t fun. Probably is a blast to not have to peddle up hill. However, I feel that disabled people should be the only ones to lawfully be able to ride them on mtb trails.

    • Steve Dallas

      Obviously you have never ridden a class 1 ebike. Let alone up a hill. It is still work, and actually a better cardio workout and less detrimental to your knee joints. They are not faster than analog bikes and no more dangerous.

  • Fastdon

    Kinda makes me think its a welfare tool for under achievers that want to say that they MTB.

    • Steve Dallas

      Tell that to all the Pros riding them for training 😉

  • mydarkself

    I am 65 years. I’ve been riding, racing and crashing since a kid. I had an incomplete spinal injury a couple years ago. At this point I can’t ride a regular 2wheeler unless it’s electric. So even with the pas I’m still slower then my pals I ride with .
    This whole banning ebikes from single track thing is like using a 12 guage shotgun to swat a fly. Fear mongering. Sure, there’s going to be bad people doing bad stuff. So what’s new. Banning me from cycling the only way I can is stupid and mean. Most of the comments against ebikes on single track sound more like Evangelical furvor then logical arguments against them. Has anyone shown that ebikes actually cause all problems they talk about. And not just anecdotes?

  • Aswaldo Diddles

    So fastdon. you think I’m wanting something I don’t deserve? I mean that’s kind of what welfare is all about right? I’ve worked and helped build trails over the years. Assisted with races and rides for a long time. And now that I can’t ride the way I used to I’m lumped in with all people that ride ebikes irresponsibly. Collateral damage.

  • Robert M Gifford

    I just went on my first group ride where there was one ebike. To tell you the truth I hardly noticed. This bike was a pedal assist type machine and to an untrained eye would not be detected as it looks just like a 27.5 FS bike. This bike didn’t disturb soils wasn’t noisy and appeared to be just like all the other bikes in the group. I wonder in Vermont how a ban would be enforced as we have so many trails where you never see other bikers. I also know of a few aging riders who as they approach 70 years old could still hang with the pack with a little E assist. We are not youngsters forever. I also see a way my wife could keep up better and ride with me more if she had a little E assist. We are just getting to be 60 years old. I like my carbon Yeti. I did try this Ebike in the parking lot after a 11 mile ride. It was pretty cool. You push down and it helps. No tire spinning, no noise just like having another rider helping who weighs 20 pounds. I guess since the bike does weigh about 45 pounds it could wear a trail a little more but that would be the same as a 200 pound rider instead of me at 170. Not sure there is much of an argument that’s physics based for banning E bikes. Yea its cheating a little but isn’t the point to get out and enjoy the trail?

  • zow

    I like what Robert M Gifford wrote above.

    I am another 60+ rider(62). I built my first MBT in 1981 from new and used parts, inspired by the pioneers on nearby Mount Tam in Marin. Now my knees are older and stamina not as great. My pedal assist hard-tail allows me to get out and enjoy riding like I used to. I cannot hike due to a disability with my foot- severe heel pain from plantar fasciitis, so biking is really important to me.

    As others have said here, a speed limit seems the most compassionate and inclusive way to limit harm and danger.

    Also, the best way to limit danger on any mixed use trail, is to slow down around hikers or horses.

    It seems like one really obvious point that has not been talked about here much is that high speeds are mostly achieved going down-hill. The E-assist on my Haibike cuts out at 20MPH. Coasting, any MTB can exceed 20MPH on a smooth, open, downhill track.

    I wonder how much of the energy behind banning ebikes off-road is self centered— in a desire to limit access to a smaller elite group of fit, younger people. I can understand the appeal of having more space and access for one’s own tribe, but is it fair to the older and less-able among us?

    For those who feel competitive with ebike riders: Simply resist the temptation to view the geezers and weeker people on pedal assist Ebikes as competitors, see them as possible friends with differing abilities.

  • David Jeske

    “I wonder how much of the energy behind banning ebikes off-road is self centered— in a desire to limit access to a smaller elite group of fit, younger people. I can understand the appeal of having more space and access for one’s own tribe, but is it fair to the older and less-able among us?”

    A smaller group? Yes. Elite and younger? I think that’s reaching. I’d like to believe that even the zero-ebike purists have a motive that’s more about preserving a more egalitarian sense of achievement of the sport by trying to assure that the people who ride the trail do roughly the same work. They will gladly welcome anyone who joins them, at any age, and any fitness level.

    However, even for those who support (regulation conforming pedal assist) ebikes on trails, there is a significant challenge in allowing ebikes that meet a set of regulations, because they are really really hard to tell apart.

    I personally support < 70lb 350w 20mph pedal-assist-only ebikes on trails. However, a 1000w 95lb, throttle-equipped "ebike" is basically a motocross bike but still looks like an ebike. IMO, we need to admit that and push for a practical way to restrict what ebikes are on trails, possibly through licensing, in order to find some kind of reasonable common ground.

    • Steve Dallas

      Class 1 bikes are generally under 55 pounds now and some as low as the mid 30’s, they MUST have less than a 250W motor, and are limited to providing assist only up to 20 MPH. My Levo actually cuts out at 16 MPH.

    • rossico

      People support them as motorized bikes, and they have a valid place on motorized trails and roads. They’re fantastic ways to commute for many. So enjoy them as such.

      The “limits”we’ve allllll been assured about are a great argument til you see the videos on how to bypass them, and there exist lots of ways to tweak their speed to allow much faster speeds. We see it here all the time in Summit County.

      I’m a supporter of rules to govern trail usage, and support moto users having access to some trails that are shared, and some that are not, and motorized bikes have been prohibited from a lot of trails for good reason. I don’t need to have my car everywhere. I don’t need to have my bike everywhere either (we have many non-biking trails here in fact). I don’t need to ride my road bike in the left lane of the interstate. How is this rule so offensive to people? Enjoy your e-bike and find the trails suited to them, without the red herring arguments.

  • dcitron

    I really dont understand all the negativity towards ebikes. I do not have one, but am approaching an age where many are stopping riding because it is just to difficult on my body. it seems like a viable option.

    In addition, I dont buy the fact that pedal assist ebikes that dont add any power over 20mph is more destructive on a trail than some of the hard chargers

    Maybe all the anti ebike zealots should ride single speeds because gears make riding easier!

    Let everybody enjoy the trails!

  • meb58

    I gave up road racing in 2007, as a CAT 3 rider. I gave up because of the increased use of cell phones whilst folks drive their cars and for the general fall-off in driving acumen…I preferred to stay alive. I tried a season of mountain bike racing while racing road bikes to get a feel for this sport and I was surprised by how much I loved being in the woods away from public roads. I wasn’t very good…I do have a half dozen medals – as a beginner – but that success came from conditioning, not technique.

    Fast forward to last fall, a friend asked me to join him on a mountain bike ride. He was on an e bike, I was riding a 10 year old something. He suggested that I purchase an e mountain bike. My first response was something like, “I am not riding any bike that has a motor of any kind after a near life time devoted to pedaling and high heart rate efforts. Well, I borrowed his wife’s Giant e hardtail and I could not stop laughing; the experience was insane fun.

    See, at 62 years of age, I no longer have the desire to maintain high HR lactic acid threshold training events…I’m not sure that these types of efforts are beneficial for me. I borrowed a friends 2018 specialized base Levo and took to the woods a few more times to get a better feel for the bike while wearing my HR monitor. my average HR was 157 with a high of 174, 25 beats less than my max HR. This is the range I belong in and the e bike offers me the opportunity to enjoy the woods without killing myself. I tested a 2019 Stump Jumper Carbon Comp back to back against the e Levo for 10 miles in the woods yesterday. I love the e bike!

    I read comments above about motorized vehicles destroying the trails…I can see how one might attach to this belief but one must consider the math, as was pointed out above as well. A Carbon Comp Levo weighs 45lbs, I weigh 162. Place a 180 lb human on a 25 lb Stump Jumper and we are in the same weight range. Adding rider aggressiveness, skill level tire type and width and its possible to absolutely blur the differences. Dare I write that an expert weighing 180lbs riding a 25 pound bike aggressively has the potential to disrupt trails more than an e bike. In my hands, an e bike is not a down hill villain, my pace on the flats is enjoyable, I keep the power mode in what might universally eco on the flats and in sport whilst climbing rocky difficult terrain.

    This is about having fun, about emptying my brain for a few hour a couple times a week without killing myself…I was an angry human every Saturday morning performing 70-80 TT events as part of my training. I have zeri desire to work that hard on a bike.

    For those of you who feel an e bike is cheating, I get it, I did too…until I hopped on one. They are not as flickable – if at all – as a non e bike but if your goal is to have fun, serious fun whilst riding in the woods you should really treat yourself to ride one. If you are a younger rider, like I was once, racing a few days a week, an e mountain bike isn’t your thing…it would not have been my thing. But we all age and keep the love for riding alive in the woods, away from cars, just puts a smile on my face.

    • meb58

      Apologies for miss-spellings, I cannot find an EDIT tool

  • meb58

    …allow me to add, my experiences above were on very technical tracks. I cannot imagine loving an e bike on fast flowing rides where I might be faster than the e bike, which is limited to 20 mph.

  • steadyeddy

    I find it a bit contradictory that bikers, newest members to the trail scene, are snobbishly opposed to e bikes. From a hikers perspective they are the same flipping thing, bikes are bikes. It is the biking purist who are insulted by the e bike. You purists are lucky to be travelling the trails with your wheeled advantage so get over yourselves and appreciate that more people are being active. Who are you to judge what is acceptable activity. Most activity is good for your health.
    Impacts? All trails incur impacts with or without use and impacts are felt from all disciplines. Let’s figure out a sustainable maintenance program. Yeah, we might even have to pay to play, see how much permit programs benefit motorized trail systems.
    Trails for all, RESPECT the land and each other.

  • Edslittleworld

    Simple solution: If you don’t have the strength to pedal 15+ mph on your own, then your probably don’t have any business going that fast…in terms of bike control and dexterity. I see a few wobbly old men riding our multi-use trails at close 20 mph on eBikes and just wonder how long it will be until they hit a child or just crash.

    However, I won’t say anything if they’re not going faster than regular bike traffic. If they’re “coasting” along at 20 mph into a headwind…then YES, I will speak out to them.

    I’m 55 years old and take care of myself, so I don’t require any motor assist. If there comes a day when I can’t hike up 14ers or ride mountain bikes challenging trails, then it’s time for golf or road bike riding.

  • KurgansDad

    Moot point, because I can’t justify the purchase of an E-bike just to save me a few miles of climbing. Would be fun to try one out though.
    I wonder if this restriction would apply to something that really isn’t a mtn bike trail.
    e.g. One of my favorite approaches for a multi-day backcountry hike that starts with 5 miles of old fireroad that was decommissioned/tank-trapped decades ago.

    It’s not a named trail on any map. It’s not in any hiking/riding/equestrian guidebooks, although it is part of the approach for a Cascade peak listed by The Mountaineers org. Only a half dozen people a year go there. I’ve been going there for 10 years and have seen 3 people in total.
    The approach is 5 miles of 10% grade, with multiple unrideable washouts and downed trees, and some exposed sections of rotten rock and shale that are tricky to walk, let alone ride.
    Most of the ‘trail’ in in Nat Forest land, if that matters.

  • Darrin Shaw

    Reasons for ebike (pedal assist) haters is, 1) They can’t afford one or 2) They have no life and just like to bitch and complain about everything. 3) They for sure have never road one.

    There is 0 difference in riding an ebike on any trail other than you get a little help going up hills. That’s it. Period. If this gets more people out on the trails and off the couch, then it’s a win for everyone. The more people, the more trail builders, the more events and more new awesome trails. Use your brain to see how you can leverage all the new riders and find out what they can do for your trails, businesses, organisations, groups, schools. The ones who welcome all these new riders will be the winners in the long run. #evergreenmountainbike

    Remember ebikers DON’T need to shuttle to the top of every hill so they can ride down. That’s just lazy. They ride up. Ebikes are the snowboards of 25 years ago, they are taking over the world of biking and there is no stopping them. 90% of the people who are complaining will own one. Someday.

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