After returning the Lynskey to the Shimano booth I went in search of my next demo bike. This time around I wanted to try a carbon fiber 29er hardtail. Id never ridden one, and I was curious if carbon makes as much difference for mountain bikes as it does for road bikes. I headed over to the Felt tents and found a Nine Team in my size perfect!
The Bike
The Nine series of bikes are Felts 29er XC bikes, and the Nine Team is the carbon-fiber top dog of the bunch. Now, I’m not exactly sure what model year bike I rode. It had a Shimano XT drivetrain and Fox fork. The 2012bike shown on Felts website however has a SRAM X0 drivetrain and Rock Shox fork. Everything else looks the same, from the saddle to the wheels, even the graphics on the frame are the same. So… I don’t know if you can buy the exact bike I rode, but the frame is the same and all the ride impressions are still valid.
Unlike a lot of modern carbon fiber wunderbikes, the Nine Team doesn’t have a super curvy silhouette; it’s a traditional looking frame from a distance, which I like.
The Nine Team is built for racing and riding fast. This is not a trail bike built mostly for going downhill–its sole goal is to go fast. The short head tube combined with flat handlebars and an 80mm fork means the front end is nice and low, if you want it to be. Typical of fast handling race bikes, the bars are on the narrow side with a relatively steep head tube angle. Apparently I like race bikes, because I absolutely LOVED this bike!
trek7k tested the XT-kitted version at Interbike 2011.
Handling
Telepathic. Thats the best word I know to describe how the bike handled. Wherever you even think about going, its there before you finish the thought. I rode it on the woods side of the Horse Park, and the trails there are fast, flowy, and tight and twisty in places. The Nine Team just ripped and railed everything the trails threw at it. Thanks to the low front end my bars were a few inches lower than my saddle (which I like) and let me keep plenty of weight on the front wheel so it would stick in the corners, and it did. Everything from high speed sweepers to multiple back-to-back tight corners were handled with ease. Just look where you want to go, and it goes there.
I liked this bike. A lot.
But… do not look where you dont want to go, even for a moment, cause itll go there too. The bike never felt nervous, like it would get knocked off line, but it will change lines instantly if you want it to. You gotta pay attention. Of course, at the speeds the bike is built for, you better be paying attention anyway!
The Carbon Effect
My first ride on a carbon bike was a road bike. I was blown away by how smooth the bike rode when compared to an aluminum bike. It was still stiff under pedaling and cornering, but vibrations and ripples where almost completely muted. It wasnt a small difference, it was night and day. Even someone who isnt a serious rider would be able to tell a massive difference between the two.
There isn’t any black paint on the frame, just a bare cosmetic carbon finish.
For mountain biking however, its not as big of a difference. The Nine Team might have been a bit smoother than my aluminum bike, but its hard to say. I didnt spend any time adjusting the tire pressure, so I probably could have smoothed it out even more with a little less pressure. Either way, its certainly not a night and day difference like it is with road bikes. Off road, the larger volume and lower pressure tires are a much bigger contributor to ride quality than on a road bike, with smaller, higher pressure tires. I would say the Lynskey rode a bit smoother, but again, without fiddling with air pressure, and a lot more miles, its hard to say which was really smoother.
There is some subtle tube shaping, but the Nine Team is a fairly traditional looking bike.
Carbon does have some advantages over aluminum of course. Its lighter, and stiffer. Out of the saddle hammering feels great on the Nine Team, there is no flex to be felt at the bottom bracket at all. Every bit of effort that goes to the pedals goes to the rear wheel. The light weight and stiffness were especially appreciated when muscling the bike up a steepie in too-tall of a gear.
The square seat stays contribute to the stiff pedalling platform, yet they don’t beat you to death, and they provide pretty decent tire clearance fora race bike.
If You Wanna Go Fast
do yourself a favor and check out the Felt Nine Team. The carbon frame is light, stiff, and comfortable. The handling is fast, yet it never felt nervous or twitchy. This was my first time on a Felt bike, and I was impressed. I really, really liked this one. My only complaint is the price, $6,000 is not only a lot of money for a bicycle, but it’s a lot of money for carbon X0-spec bike. If you’re willing to step down to a slightly lower spec mix of X0 and X9 parts there are several much less expensive bikes on the market, such as theSpecialized Stumpjumper Expert Carbon29 for only $3,900 and Giant’s XTC Composite 29er 0 is even less expensive at $3,675. With the money saved you could upgrade to a really trick wheelset and still have money left over for a few race entry fees. The Nine Team frame is available for $2,400 which is also out of line with its competition; the XTC Composite frame is nearly a grand less at $1,450, and an extra $200 over the price of the Felt will get you Niner Jet9 RDO carbon full suspension frame.
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Sounds like a great rig! That IS pricey, though. Do you know what the complete weight is?
As long as we’re comparing, you can get an X9 kitted Ibex Maroc carbon fiber hardtail 29er for $2475… roughly the price of this frame…
The xTC also has a tapered headset … just sayin’ 😀
Felt lists the weight of the complete, with the large frame, as 21.8lbs – that’s silly light. That doesn’t include pedals. Best I can tell from a Google search, the Giant is sub 25lbs with pedals, and the older Stumpjumper (not sure what all changes have been made) is close to that as well. Meanwhile, the cheaper (!!) S-Works (with XX drivetrain) is closer to 20lbs, but is uber money at $8,000+.
Also rode this bike at the expo and was in love up until I got a look at the price tag. The hardtail I still have is an older aluminum Trek from Y2K and I certainly noticed a difference between the two frames. Granted, my HT is old enough to qualify for social security benefits at this point and the Felt had a carbon bar. Still, the Felt’s ability to mute trail buzz was night and day. I loved it.
Goose – how much of that do you think was the 29″ wheels vs the 26″ wheels on your Trek?
I agree. It is an awesome bike. But you gotta pay to play.
Not sure since I can’t pop 29″ wheels on my 26″ frame but I really think it was more the dulling effect of the carbon over the wheels themselves. I notice a pretty big difference between aluminum and carbon bars when I swap them out on my other bikes so I immediately attributed a lot of the dulling effects to the carbon. I run my HT now with 2.4s down in the mid 20s for PSI. Thats a good bit wider tire than what was on the Felt so it had to level the playing field a little bit, right?? Sure, the bigger wheels smooth out some of the angle that I would hit bumps but it was still eye poppingly different from my aluminum at home. Too bad they didn’t have an aluminum version of the Nine out there to test and get a frame v. frame comparison.
I guess a lot of it depends on which frame you’re comparing to. My aluminum bike (On-One Scandal 29er) rides almost as nicely as my steel bike (Vassago Jabberwocky), so maybe that’s why it wasn’t a night and day difference to me.
Also, it’s worth mentioning that I felt like this bike was just as maneuverable and agile in tight turns as my 26″ HT. I feel like agility and weight are always thrown out as the biggest knocks you hear people come up with when comparing 29″ HT bikes to 26″ bikes and neither were applicable to the Felt Nine.
@gg, With the new geometry-adjusted 29ers and the advancements that have been made, some of them can be nearly as maneuverable as 26ers if done right. I rode a 29er this weekend that I had to get off and check to see what size the wheels were.
I rode this bike at Interbike (sorry to hijack your pics Dustin 🙂 ) and it was a solid ride, though I never got around to posting about it. I’m not generally a fan of carbon hardtails because they’re so dang stiff but it’s hard to argue with the weight savings. 21-ish pounds for this bike? Ridiculous. I had my hardtail 29er down to 22 but that was with a rigid fork.
I can just imagine Greg getting off a bike along the trail and measuring the wheels 😆