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  • #112543

    http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/09/07/int … 0b-wheels/

    This was pretty fascinating.

  • #112544

    Cool segment but damn. Now I’m really confused. Which wheel is best in burger drive through? That will decide it for me. 😄 Later,

  • #112545

    Depends on how high the pick-up window is.

  • #112546

    Cool little clip. I have recently acquired a 650b bike. However it is all original from 1984. So far I really enjoy it, however the purpose I have for it will not me AM type trails. I have yet to ride a 29" in my size, but I know a lot of people who will not go back to 26". This should be interesting to watch unfold.

  • #112547
    "Funrover" wrote

    Cool little clip. I have recently acquired a 650b bike. However it is all original from 1984. So far I really enjoy it, however the purpose I have for it will not me AM type trails. I have yet to ride a 29" in my size, but I know a lot of people who will not go back to 26". This should be interesting to watch unfold.

    ^This.

    I don’t care how it turns out, but I’m really excited to see what (if any) changes happen.

    I bought a bike early this year, so I should be good for the next few years when it comes to an "all-around" bike.

  • #112548

    I’ve tried rental Jamis 650 last year and didn’t feel any difference from 26". What I felt was a horrible flex in its White Brothers fork. Anyway, it does really look like if 650b will be pushed into market successfully 26" could be eliminated in a future. And this pushing is from manufacturers not customers.

  • #112549
    "stumpyfsr" wrote

    I’ve tried rental Jamis 650 last year and didn’t feel any difference from 26". What I felt was a horrible flex in its White Brothers fork. Anyway, it does really look like if 650b will be pushed into market successfully 26" could be eliminated in a future. And this pushing is from manufacturers not customers.

    The LBS has a 650 hanging in the window (the Dragon maybe?). I’ll have to check it out to see what it feels like.

    Are White Brothers forks usually decent? With Fox and Rock Shox getting behind the 650b, that should help with quality forks.

    Even though the push came from the manufacturers, it’ll be the customers that buy them. If there’s no difference and a higher price, I’m not sure people will buy them…although, I shouldn’t underestimate the "Gotta have the newest thing" appeal, I suppose.

  • #112550
    "Jared13" wrote

    [quote="stumpyfsr":399azhqw]I’ve tried rental Jamis 650 last year and didn’t feel any difference from 26". What I felt was a horrible flex in its White Brothers fork. Anyway, it does really look like if 650b will be pushed into market successfully 26" could be eliminated in a future. And this pushing is from manufacturers not customers.

    The LBS has a 650 hanging in the window (the Dragon maybe?). I’ll have to check it out to see what it feels like.

    Are White Brothers forks usually decent? With Fox and Rock Shox getting behind the 650b, that should help with quality forks.

    Even though the push came from the manufacturers, it’ll be the customers that buy them. If there’s no difference and a higher price, I’m not sure people will buy them…although, I shouldn’t underestimate the "Gotta have the newest thing" appeal, I suppose.[/quote:399azhqw]
    I don’t know about whole White Brothers products but that particular fork wasn’t good at all.
    I think first few years price may be higher because of "new thing", but later it might go down… As being said in video, there has been research done and it’s proved to be better. Evolution is always welcome. Remember, 29ers wasn’t good at the beginning. So, I guess, this size has potential.

  • #112551

    My take-away from the whole video was how road bikes have had over 100 years to evolve and the 700c wheel size became the standard after a lot of trial and error. (remember p-fars?)

    Like they said though, when mountain biking started, the only tires that would work were 26" cruiser tires and so 26" became the defacto standard right out of the gate.

    I’m really looking forward to throwing a leg over some 27.5 bikes at Outerbike next month!

  • #112552
    "stumpyfsr" wrote

    I don’t know about whole White Brothers products but that particular fork wasn’t good at all.
    I think first few years price may be higher because of "new thing", but later it might go down… As being said in video, there has been research done and it’s proved to be better. Evolution is always welcome. Remember, 29ers wasn’t good at the beginning. So, I guess, this size has potential.

    Very true, but for the 29ers, the industry wasn’t pushing it as hard as they’re pushing the 650b. Hopefully that will mean fewer/shorter "growing pains"!

  • #112553

    @Jared13, I’m sure there won’t be design issues since every bike company already have an experience in building 26ers & 29ers. It’s pretty much like blending two bikes in one. I mean they’ll create a new bike from scratch while applying all best from both sizes

  • #112554

    The last sentence of this video sums the whole thing up:
    "Kind of almost unresolved for a little bit and it might be that way for a while" lol

    I like Sram’s view of it the best, keep making all sizes and let the consumer choose.

  • #112555
    "jtorlando25" wrote

    I like Sram’s view of it the best, keep making all sizes and let the consumer choose.

    But it’s still about the bottom line. If people stop buying a particular size, it will get dropped from the product line.

  • #112556
    "maddslacker" wrote

    [quote="jtorlando25":3c1boaub]I like Sram’s view of it the best, keep making all sizes and let the consumer choose.

    But it’s still about the bottom line. If people stop buying a particular size, it will get dropped from the product line.[/quote:3c1boaub]
    Right. Which will not happen to 26" wheels in our lifetime.

  • #112557

    I’ll take that bet.

  • #112558
    "maddslacker" wrote

    I’ll take that bet.

    $1 bet. let’s do it! 😃

  • #112559
    "Jared13" wrote

    [quote="stumpyfsr":1yysq1nz]I’ve tried rental Jamis 650 last year and didn’t feel any difference from 26". What I felt was a horrible flex in its White Brothers fork. Anyway, it does really look like if 650b will be pushed into market successfully 26" could be eliminated in a future. And this pushing is from manufacturers not customers.

    The LBS has a 650 hanging in the window (the Dragon maybe?). I’ll have to check it out to see what it feels like.

    Are White Brothers forks usually decent? With Fox and Rock Shox getting behind the 650b, that should help with quality forks.

    Even though the push came from the manufacturers, it’ll be the customers that buy them. If there’s no difference and a higher price, I’m not sure people will buy them…although, I shouldn’t underestimate the "Gotta have the newest thing" appeal, I suppose.[/quote:1yysq1nz]

    Having put over 700 miles on a Jamis Dakar 650b Pro this summer with a White Brothers fork, i’ve gotta say that I’ve been very pleased with how the fork performs! IMO, Rock Shox and Fox jumping on the band wagon aren’t a big leap forward in the 650b market because of improved fork performance, but just because a lot of companies feature OEM parts from Rock Shox and Fox.

    "jtorlando25" wrote

    [quote="maddslacker":1yysq1nz][quote="jtorlando25":1yysq1nz]I like Sram’s view of it the best, keep making all sizes and let the consumer choose.

    But it’s still about the bottom line. If people stop buying a particular size, it will get dropped from the product line.[/quote:1yysq1nz]
    Right. Which will not happen to 26" wheels in our lifetime.[/quote:1yysq1nz]

    In my personal opinion, wheel sizes will end up filtering out by application: best size for what you want the bike to do. And after watching the video, that seems to be the view many people are taking. Here’s how I see it panning out (potentially):

    Entry Level: 26"
    Women’s/smaller frame bicycles: 26"
    XC (hardtail, short travel dual suspension): 29"
    Trail: 29" & 27.5"
    AM: 27.5"
    Freeride & longer travel AM rigs: 26"
    DH: 26"

    It might take a while to get there, though.

  • #112560
    "stumpyfsr" wrote

    @Jared13, I’m sure there won’t be design issues since every bike company already have an experience in building 26ers & 29ers. It’s pretty much like blending two bikes in one. I mean they’ll create a new bike from scratch while applying all best from both sizes

    There could still be some geometry issues they need to work out, but you’re right, for the most part, they should have it pegged. The growing pains I was mostly talking about about were the parts. If you only have one supplier making forks, tires, or rims, you’re stuck with that supplier. The product doesn’t have to be the best but you won’t be able to upgrade/shop around.

    "mtbgreg1" wrote

    IMO, Rock Shox and Fox jumping on the band wagon aren’t a big leap forward in the 650b market because of improved fork performance, but just because a lot of companies feature OEM parts from Rock Shox and Fox.

    But having Rock Shox and Fox, along with a few tire companies, gives the bike companies a warm fuzzy in regards to committing time/money in 650bs ;)

    "mtbgreg1" wrote

    In my personal opinion, wheel sizes will end up filtering out by application: best size for what you want the bike to do. And after watching the video, that seems to be the view many people are taking. Here’s how I see it panning out (potentially):

    Entry Level: 26"
    Women’s/smaller frame bicycles: 26"
    XC (hardtail, short travel dual suspension): 29"
    Trail: 29" & 27.5"
    AM: 27.5"
    Freeride & longer travel AM rigs: 26"
    DH: 26"
    It might take a while to get there, though.

    I think those are mostly spot on but I would think some entry level bikes would be 29". DJ will stay 26" and maybe 4X also.

  • #112561

    I roll 26. Tubed. I do everything wrong.

    29ers and 650b’s are a fad, people! Just like the iPhone and the internet. Now stop speculating and get out and ride that 26er. If you are riding any other size, you are just confused. But as long as you are riding, we will let it slide. 😼

    Syndicate. Represent.

  • #112562
    "fleetwood" wrote

    I roll 26. Tubed. I do everything wrong.

    29ers and 650b’s are a fad, people! Just like the iPhone and the internet. Now stop speculating and get out and ride that 26er. If you are riding any other size, you are just confused. But as long as you are riding, we will let it slide. 😼

    Syndicate. Represent.

    LOL!
    +1

  • #112563
    "Jared13" wrote

    fleetwood wrote:
    I roll 26. Tubed. I do everything wrong.

    29ers and 650b’s are a fad, people! Just like the iPhone and the internet. Now stop speculating and get out and ride that 26er. If you are riding any other size, you are just confused. But as long as you are riding, we will let it slide.

    Syndicate. Represent.

    LOL!
    +1

    +1

  • #112564

    The internet is real? Just checking. 😄 Later,

  • #112565

    They all missed the boat on the 29ers now thier making sure they don’t miss the 650b boat. However, there is no boat. 80 pct of the market is going to roll 29er. 26ers are done minus the DH crowd. They will try to jam 650b down our throats because they all spent the money on the tooling and design and now have massive inventory…

    Oh and the Internet and the iPhone have literally changed the way we live….like the 29er….

    I’m a sage.

  • #112566
    "Spartan" wrote

    80 pct of the market is going to roll 29er.

    Fools!

    26ers are done minus the DH crowd.

    False!

    Oh and the Internet and the iPhone have literally changed the way we live….like the 29er….

    I’m a sage.

    Stop spewing all these lies! You are no sage, you are a heathen!

    Believe in 26. Believe!

    😼

  • #112567

    The bike mfgrs don’t want to have to make 3 wheel sizes. Period. Its just too costly to market and make and sell 3 wheels.. so they are going to push 650B and hope we all bite…

    When Jesus returns he will arrive on a 29er!

    The Sage has spoken.

  • #112568

    Has anyone started a company producing only 650b bikes? Niner has been successful in large part because they embraced the 29er trend early on and staked their business on it. Who will do this for 650b? Any takers here? 😀

  • #112569
    "jeff" wrote

    Has anyone started a company producing only 650b bikes?

    Oddly enough a friend and I are in the beginning stages of doing just that. 😎

  • #112570
    "Spartan" wrote

    The bike mfgrs don’t want to have to make 3 wheel sizes. Period. Its just too costly to market and make and sell 3 wheels.. so they are going to push 650B and hope we all bite…

    We won’t.

    When Jesus returns he will arrive on a 29er!

    Yeah, and he’ll be looking for his old trusty 26er.

  • #112571
    "jeff" wrote

    Has anyone started a company producing only 650b bikes?

    Not sure, but I just trademarked "Sixer Bikes". When all of you go off the deep end and succomb to the manufacturers’ "manufactured" new thing resulting in no more big brand 26ers, there I will be — proudly spitting out 26ers for those that never lost faith. And when you all finally see the err of your ways and and come crawling back looking for someone, anyone to build you a 26er, I will be in the fabled cat bird seat. Millions will be made. I may even "borrow" Niner’s top tube logo idea, but instead of "pedal dammit" it will read, "I roll 26. Believe."

  • #112572
    "maddslacker" wrote

    [quote="jeff":2xgg9imz]Has anyone started a company producing only 650b bikes?

    Oddly enough a friend and I are in the beginning stages of doing just that. 😎[/quote:2xgg9imz]

    You’re going to do ONLY 650b??

  • #112573

    Initially yes. Maybe 29er later.

  • #112574
    "fleetwood" wrote

    it will read, "I roll 26. Believe."

    You mean, " I coulda had 3 more inches but I said no" 😼

  • #112575
    "maddslacker" wrote

    [quote="fleetwood":1x4yk1xc]it will read, "I roll 26. Believe."

    You mean, " I coulda had 3 more inches but I said no" 😼[/quote:1x4yk1xc]
    Well, if you need three more inches, I guess that’s your business…

    😼

    Awww, screw it, I’m getting one of these…

    Image

    As fat billy would say, later.

  • #112576

    ^^^

    saw some 32" or 36" clown bikes at walmart. yes, it must be the way to go.

    26" and tubed

  • #112577
    "JSatch" wrote

    ^^^

    saw some 32" or 36" clown bikes at walmart. yes, it must be the way to go.

    26" and tubed

    That’s no WM bike — custom built from what I could tell. The guy raced it in the 18 Hour Scouts Honor last November on tight, twisty, rooty, muddy, slippery singletrack and seemed to be having a blast.

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