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Thought since I am moderator of this here trail building forum I would start a sticky on Trail building resources such as links to important web sites that are key to the tral building realm.I can’t think of a better link to start with than IMBA.com.
IMBA
IMBA’s Trail Building Resources
[i:360zo250]Trail Solutions[/i:360zo250]: The trail building book from IMBA.Mountain Bike Trail Building 101
How to choose your line, Part I
How to choose your line, Part II
MTB Trailbuilding: How to work Smart, Not Hard
MTB Trailbuilding Essentials: The Benchcut7 Reasons to Start Doing Trail Work
Easy On-The-Go Trail MaintenanceLet’s keep this resource growing by submitting any links and other useful info so that beginners and experienced trail builders alike can access them.
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This is gonna be great! I look forward to learning all I can about trail building.
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Great idea, steve! I took the liberty of adding a few links to the list.
Keep ’em coming, guys!!
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Good job there Steve, but this thread should and would better serve our fellow MTB junkies under the "General MTB Discussion" Forum Board, not regional Forum Board. This way it would be more easily seen and utilized. Just saying!
On-On!
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"steve32300" wrote
Thought since I am moderator of this here trail building forum I would start a sticky on Trail building resources such as links to important web sites that are key to the tral building realm.I can’t think of a better link to start with than IMBA.com.
Let’s keep this resource growing by submitting any links and other useful info so that beginners and experienced trail builders alike can access them.Great idea. Will give the brand X forum some competition.
Not quite the same thing, but I do a lot of trail re-hab. Lots of stuff in my area is old CCC era trails that have been abandoned. Not everybodies cup of tea, but it’s easier to re-open old trails than build new ones, especially from the political – land management side of things. I will try and post up some stuff along those lines.
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"CraigCreekRider" wrote
Not quite the same thing, but I do a lot of trail re-hab. Lots of stuff in my area is old CCC era trails that have been abandoned. Not everybodies cup of tea, but it’s easier to re-open old trails than build new ones, especially from the political – land management side of things. I will try and post up some stuff along those lines.
Yeah I think we should post both trail building & maintenance in this forum. Building the trail is good, but maintaining it… sometimes maintenance is the real, on-going battle.
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"Bonsai-CP" wrote
Good job there Steve, but this thread should and would better serve our fellow MTB junkies under the "General MTB Discussion" Forum Board, not regional Forum Board. This way it would be more easily seen and utilized. Just saying!
On-On!
I think this was brought up earlier if I remember right,and somone suggested putting it under regional boards,so what I am thinking is that we could put it in general if we want but also creating a sub regional section "inside" trail build/maintenance..just thinking though so feedback is more than welcome from everyone,maby even start a poll and see what turns up with a wide range of input..
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"steve32300" wrote
[quote="Bonsai-CP":3iqet7ul]Good job there Steve, but this thread should and would better serve our fellow MTB junkies under the "General MTB Discussion" Forum Board, not regional Forum Board. This way it would be more easily seen and utilized. Just saying!
On-On!
I think this was brought up earlier if I remember right,and somone suggested putting it under regional boards,so what I am thinking is that we could put it in general if we want but also creating a sub regional section "inside" trail build/maintenance..just thinking though so feedback is more than welcome from everyone,maby even start a poll and see what turns up with a wide range of input..[/quote:3iqet7ul]
Did Jeff put this forum here or did you put it here steve? Wasn’t me. I can see why it would make sense under general, but also why associating it with the regional forums as the regional is more about trails, and this is about trailbuilding, AND trailbuilding efforts generally seem to be a regional thing.
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I didn’t create it Greg,I would think Jeff did though but I don’t know for sure.I like Chili’s suggestion of putting in the regional forums,seems like it would be easily found there.I’m thinkin that most riders would enjoy talkin about there own local trails in there own forum section.
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I pictured a trail building category to be a place to get help on building and maintaining trails. I would much rather have help from the largest group of people available and not just my neighbors. I’ll post in the regional forum when the trail is done to let my neighbors know 😀
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"schwim" wrote
I pictured a trail building category to be a place to get help on building and maintaining trails. I would much rather have help from the largest group of people available and not just my neighbors. I’ll post in the regional forum when the trail is done to let my neighbors know 😀
+1 to this. Although I can see using the forums to solicit building and maintenance help from others…
So let’s just leave this forum where it is? I think it’ll work fine.
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"mtbgreg1" wrote
[quote="schwim":yjj77vtx]I pictured a trail building category to be a place to get help on building and maintaining trails. I would much rather have help from the largest group of people available and not just my neighbors. I’ll post in the regional forum when the trail is done to let my neighbors know 😀
+1 to this. Although I can see using the forums to solicit building and maintenance help from others…
So let’s just leave this forum where it is? I think it’ll work fine.[/quote:yjj77vtx]
Seems OK to me. I usually go to "new posts", so it doesn’t really make that much difference to me as you get to see all of them anyway.Maybe post trail work days in the regional section? It’s always good to get as many people out working on the trail as possible.
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Here’s a link to the Trail Construction and Maintenance Notebook created by the USFS. The entire book can be accessed on line. It has a lot of good information although I don’t agree with everything covered (the use of waterbars for instance).
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MOD NOTE:
I split off the discussion about advocacy topics and their place in the forums to a new thread to keep this post on topic.See post titled "Advocacy Topic Locations?**split**."
Goldengoose
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"CFM" wrote
Here’s a link to the Trail Construction and Maintenance Notebook created by the USFS. The entire book can be accessed on line. It has a lot of good information although I don’t agree with everything covered (the use of waterbars for instance).
Thanks for the link. I will look it over when I have the time. Recently they have used stimulus money to install pine log waterbars in my area that I am not too crazy about. Doesn’t seem like a very wise use of money.
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What kills me about the wooden water bars is the fact that they rot out and turn to mush seemingly quickly. I’m guessing they use pine because of the abundance in many locations but cedar would last so much longer since it’s naturally resistant to rot and insects.
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"GoldenGoose" wrote
What kills me about the wooden water bars is the fact that they rot out and turn to mush seemingly quickly. I’m guessing they use pine because of the abundance in many locations but cedar would last so much longer since it’s naturally resistant to rot and insects.
I am pretty sure some of them were pine. This one looks like it might be poplar, which is just about as bad for rot resistance.
Could be hickory which would be a little better. Cedar or locust would be the best local wood. Rolling dips seem to be the preferred method these days. -
"CFM" wrote
Here’s a link to the Trail Construction and Maintenance Notebook created by the USFS. The entire book can be accessed on line. It has a lot of good information although I don’t agree with everything covered (the use of waterbars for instance).
You can also order the notebook and other materials at http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/rec … ailpub.cfm
I got the notebook, "Trail Training DVD Series," and "Building Moutnain Bike Trails: Sustainable Singletrack" DVD. It only took a week or so to get the materials. I’m going to start watching the DVDs while riding the trainer so I’m not sure how good the DVDs are.
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There are so many sources of good trail building info that it is kind of overwhelming. I’ve been working on some documentation lately and I have a bibliography that I posted below. My favorite sources of info, in order, are:
IMBA Trail Solutions
Natural Surface Trails by Design
Minnesota Trail Planning Guide
USFS Trail Construction and Maintenance NotebookThe video version of Trail Solutions can be found online at IMBA Trail Solutions videos.
It is well worth your time to poke around the American Trails website http://www.americantrails.org/
Resources
Appalachian Mountain Club. [i:71lnw2uz]AMC’s Complete Guide to Trail Building & Maintenance.[/i:71lnw2uz] Boston, MA: Appalachian Mountain Club, 2008. AMC Books.
Birkby, Robert C. [i:71lnw2uz]Lightly on the Land: The Student Conservation Association Trail-Building and Maintenance Manual.[/i:71lnw2uz] Seattle, WA: The Mountaineers, 2005. Mountaineers Books.
Hancock, Jan; Vander Hoek, Kim K. Jones; Bradshaw, Sunni; Coffman, James D.; Engelmann, Jeffrey. [i:71lnw2uz]Equestrian Design Guidebook for Trails, Trailheads, and Campgrounds.[/i:71lnw2uz] Missoula, MT: USDA Forest Service, Missoula Technology and Development Center, 2007. Equestrian Design Guidebook for Trails, Trailheads, and Campgrounds.
Hesselbarth, Woody, and Brian Vachowski. [i:71lnw2uz]Trail Construction and Maintenance Notebook.[/i:71lnw2uz] Missoula, MT: USDA Forest Service, Technology and Development Program, 2007. Trail Construction and Maintenance Notebook.
Parker, Troy Scott. [i:71lnw2uz]Natural Surface Trails by Design: Physical and Human Design Essentials of Sustainable, Enjoyable Trails.[/i:71lnw2uz] Boulder, CO: Natureshape, 2004. Natureshape LLC.
State of Minnesota, Department of Natural Resources. [i:71lnw2uz]Trail Planning, Design, and Development Guidelines.[/i:71lnw2uz] St. Paul, MN: Trails & Waterways Division, 2007. Minnesota Bookstore.
Webber, Peter, ed. [i:71lnw2uz]Trail Solutions: IMBA’s Guide to Building Sweet Singletrack.[/i:71lnw2uz] Boulder, CO: International Mountain Biking Association, 2004. IMBA Store.
Webber, Peter, ed. [i:71lnw2uz]Managing Mountain Biking: IMBA’s Guide to Providing Great Riding.[/i:71lnw2uz] Boulder, CO: International Mountain Biking Association, 2007. IMBA Store.
NPS Guide to Sustainable Mountain Trails.
Breckenridge Trail Standards and Guidelines.
Frederick County Design Standards and Planning Guidelines.
Humboldt County Regional Trails Master Plan (2010).
Massachusetts DCR Trails Guidelines and Best Practices Manual.
Monterey Bay Sanctuary Scenic Trail (MBSST) Network Final Master Plan.
Portland Trail Design Guidelines.
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Great resources!!
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"mtbgreg1" wrote
Great resources!!
What he said. Nice job of pulling all that together. 😃
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