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		<title>By: BikeParkNooB</title>
		<link>http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-trails/mountain-bike-trailbuilding-101/comment-page-1/#comment-133076</link>
		<dc:creator>BikeParkNooB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Site is AWESOME!
Great Thread, thanks Bob_the_Builder for your efforts.

Still though,
Not EXACTly the information I need.
I don&#039;t need to know HOW to build them (leaving THAT to the pros)
but How Much$, and How Long would it take.
--for say, 1 mile of single track, OR a half mile drop down the side of a mt.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Site is AWESOME!<br />
Great Thread, thanks Bob_the_Builder for your efforts.</p>
<p>Still though,<br />
Not EXACTly the information I need.<br />
I don&#8217;t need to know HOW to build them (leaving THAT to the pros)<br />
but How Much$, and How Long would it take.<br />
&#8211;for say, 1 mile of single track, OR a half mile drop down the side of a mt.?</p>
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		<title>By: MTB Trail Building How-To: Choosing Your Line Part 2 &#124; Mountain Bike Blog &#124;&#124; SINGLETRACKS.COM</title>
		<link>http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-trails/mountain-bike-trailbuilding-101/comment-page-1/#comment-6855</link>
		<dc:creator>MTB Trail Building How-To: Choosing Your Line Part 2 &#124; Mountain Bike Blog &#124;&#124; SINGLETRACKS.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] likely read Choosing Your Line Part 1 and Mountain Bike Trailbuild How-To. This article continues to detail the finer points of choosing your line. By the end of this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] likely read Choosing Your Line Part 1 and Mountain Bike Trailbuild How-To. This article continues to detail the finer points of choosing your line. By the end of this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Trail Building How-To: Choosing Your Line Part I &#124; Mountain Bike Blog &#124;&#124; SINGLETRACKS.COM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trail Building How-To: Choosing Your Line Part I &#124; Mountain Bike Blog &#124;&#124; SINGLETRACKS.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote about locating and planning for a new MTB trail and this is a continuation of that article. Click here to go back and get caught [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bob_the_Builder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob_the_Builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point worth repeating. I mentioned a few ways to get aquainted with building in the article. One way I forgot to mention is to simply spend time working on a trail with someone who knows what they&#039;re doing. 

Land access is something I haven&#039;t talked about a lot because I&#039;ve almost always worked in areas where I&#039;ve had permission to build. I&#039;m currently connecting with my local MTB club and the government of Canada trying to learn more about the process of determining who owns what land and how to get permission to build. Remember when asking for permission to build your plea is stronger when you represent a group of people (ie a club) rather than just yourself.

After my &quot;Trailbuilding 101&quot; series of articles is complete, I&#039;m planning on writing an article exclusively on land access. Hopefully I can dig up enough info about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point worth repeating. I mentioned a few ways to get aquainted with building in the article. One way I forgot to mention is to simply spend time working on a trail with someone who knows what they&#8217;re doing. </p>
<p>Land access is something I haven&#8217;t talked about a lot because I&#8217;ve almost always worked in areas where I&#8217;ve had permission to build. I&#8217;m currently connecting with my local MTB club and the government of Canada trying to learn more about the process of determining who owns what land and how to get permission to build. Remember when asking for permission to build your plea is stronger when you represent a group of people (ie a club) rather than just yourself.</p>
<p>After my &#8220;Trailbuilding 101&#8243; series of articles is complete, I&#8217;m planning on writing an article exclusively on land access. Hopefully I can dig up enough info about it!</p>
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		<title>By: BonkedAgain</title>
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		<dc:creator>BonkedAgain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think ChiliPepper makes a good point.  If you don&#039;t know what you are doing please spend some time as an apprentice before you start chopping up the land.  I bet we spend the majority of our time as trail &quot;builders&quot; cleaning up crap laid down by people who didn&#039;t know what they were doing.  Designing good, fun, sustainable trail from the start takes experience and expertise.  Just like anything else, doing it right in the first place takes less effort than having somebody throw something together, having it fall apart, and then comitting time and effort of others to go in and try to patch it up.

Here in the western US, most of the available land is public (BLM or Forest Service).  Technically, you can&#039;t put a shovel to the ground until you have all the approvals (environmental, archeological, etc.).  That&#039;s really expensive to do, so consequently a lot of people try to avoid the red-tape and just start making their own &quot;&#039;secret&quot; trails.  Some of them turn out really good; more of them are crappy, rutted, erosion prone messes.  You&#039;ve gotta know what you are doing before you take on one of these projects.  

So before you start creating that dream trail please spend some time to learn how to do it right.  There are lots of ways to learn.  The most practical way is to apprentice with groups that have a core of experienced trail builders.  Any established bike club has people who have been doing trail design for awhile and should be willing to take you under their wing.  If you have the opportunity to attend classroom training I highly recommend doing it.  IMBA has a great intro course that covers the main topics, or, even better, some groups offer multi-day training courses with field exercises that let you apply what you have learned under the supervision of an expert.  Nothing beats going out with somebody who knows what they are doing and going over their thought process with them as you plot out a new trail.

Anyway, I suggest that before you start hacking in your new fun-ride, take the time to learn how to do it right so that you end up with a good trail and not just another scar on the land.  Personally, I would prefer to have a few well-built trails rather than lots of crappy bootleg trails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think ChiliPepper makes a good point.  If you don&#8217;t know what you are doing please spend some time as an apprentice before you start chopping up the land.  I bet we spend the majority of our time as trail &#8220;builders&#8221; cleaning up crap laid down by people who didn&#8217;t know what they were doing.  Designing good, fun, sustainable trail from the start takes experience and expertise.  Just like anything else, doing it right in the first place takes less effort than having somebody throw something together, having it fall apart, and then comitting time and effort of others to go in and try to patch it up.</p>
<p>Here in the western US, most of the available land is public (BLM or Forest Service).  Technically, you can&#8217;t put a shovel to the ground until you have all the approvals (environmental, archeological, etc.).  That&#8217;s really expensive to do, so consequently a lot of people try to avoid the red-tape and just start making their own &#8220;&#8216;secret&#8221; trails.  Some of them turn out really good; more of them are crappy, rutted, erosion prone messes.  You&#8217;ve gotta know what you are doing before you take on one of these projects.  </p>
<p>So before you start creating that dream trail please spend some time to learn how to do it right.  There are lots of ways to learn.  The most practical way is to apprentice with groups that have a core of experienced trail builders.  Any established bike club has people who have been doing trail design for awhile and should be willing to take you under their wing.  If you have the opportunity to attend classroom training I highly recommend doing it.  IMBA has a great intro course that covers the main topics, or, even better, some groups offer multi-day training courses with field exercises that let you apply what you have learned under the supervision of an expert.  Nothing beats going out with somebody who knows what they are doing and going over their thought process with them as you plot out a new trail.</p>
<p>Anyway, I suggest that before you start hacking in your new fun-ride, take the time to learn how to do it right so that you end up with a good trail and not just another scar on the land.  Personally, I would prefer to have a few well-built trails rather than lots of crappy bootleg trails.</p>
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		<title>By: ChiliPepper</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChiliPepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good and very informative BTB. Wish you were down here to help us out. Too many want-a-be builders here. All mean good, but just not educated enough to build sound trails. I have been building trails within three years now, and love it, just wish I could get some more hands involved, Once more, great article BTB and looking forward to more. Keep up the great articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good and very informative BTB. Wish you were down here to help us out. Too many want-a-be builders here. All mean good, but just not educated enough to build sound trails. I have been building trails within three years now, and love it, just wish I could get some more hands involved, Once more, great article BTB and looking forward to more. Keep up the great articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_the_Builder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob_the_Builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks for the positive feedback. It&#039;s nice to see so many people stoked on trailbuilding. Given the contentious nature of trailbuilding, I&#039;d like to make a disclaimer. I wrote this article based on personal experience and a little internet research. I am not the authority on trailbuilding and will not be held responsible for consequences resulting from your trailbuilding. It is not always okay to build on crown land. Contact your local land manager to obtain permission before building.
Cheers,

Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks for the positive feedback. It&#8217;s nice to see so many people stoked on trailbuilding. Given the contentious nature of trailbuilding, I&#8217;d like to make a disclaimer. I wrote this article based on personal experience and a little internet research. I am not the authority on trailbuilding and will not be held responsible for consequences resulting from your trailbuilding. It is not always okay to build on crown land. Contact your local land manager to obtain permission before building.<br />
Cheers,</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: Goo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, read the article about potentially going to jail, and that is SCARY!!  why does there always have to be so much bureaucratic red tape?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, read the article about potentially going to jail, and that is SCARY!!  why does there always have to be so much bureaucratic red tape?</p>
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		<title>By: ttlenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>ttlenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found a great spot on city land to add a trail and this article was very timely.  Thanks for the good advice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found a great spot on city land to add a trail and this article was very timely.  Thanks for the good advice!</p>
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		<title>By: steve32300</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve32300</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,how nice is it to be enlightened by an experienced trail builder such as BTB on building mtn bike trails?Thank you Bob,cant wait to read the next installment.
We used to build our own BMX tracks back in grade school,it was always a kick in the butt to take the first lap after it was done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow,how nice is it to be enlightened by an experienced trail builder such as BTB on building mtn bike trails?Thank you Bob,cant wait to read the next installment.<br />
We used to build our own BMX tracks back in grade school,it was always a kick in the butt to take the first lap after it was done.</p>
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		<title>By: BonkedAgain</title>
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		<dc:creator>BonkedAgain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I like seeing this too.  Thanks BTB!

I totally agree; get involved!  I think that I have spent as much time doing trail work this year as I have riding.  And you know what, that&#039;s just fine.  Building quality trail is really satisifying and you do get to meet some new riding buddies while you are out digging.  Give it a try if you haven&#039;t already.

I will second the IMBA suggestions.  I especially recommend attending one of their trail-building classes if you get a chance.  They have managed to boil down the most important aspects of trail building into a few well-spent hours.  Definitely worth your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I like seeing this too.  Thanks BTB!</p>
<p>I totally agree; get involved!  I think that I have spent as much time doing trail work this year as I have riding.  And you know what, that&#8217;s just fine.  Building quality trail is really satisifying and you do get to meet some new riding buddies while you are out digging.  Give it a try if you haven&#8217;t already.</p>
<p>I will second the IMBA suggestions.  I especially recommend attending one of their trail-building classes if you get a chance.  They have managed to boil down the most important aspects of trail building into a few well-spent hours.  Definitely worth your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Asfyxiate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asfyxiate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this would be one thing singletracks was missing, trail building. It&#039;s pretty cool to see this now, being that I myself help maintain and build a good amount of the trails in my area. Thanks for opening up a aspect of MTB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this would be one thing singletracks was missing, trail building. It&#8217;s pretty cool to see this now, being that I myself help maintain and build a good amount of the trails in my area. Thanks for opening up a aspect of MTB.</p>
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		<title>By: spazjensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>spazjensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suh-weet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suh-weet</p>
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