February 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm #95126
So I’m in the middle of my Sortie build and as I’m scouring the internet researching parts I find myself going back and forth, SRAM, Shimano,SRAM, Shimano. Most of my riding buds are pro Shimano and I’m running Shimano on my Trance now. As I’m happy with it my Shimano set-up, I haven’t had a chance to compare. So I ask, do I make the leap and try something new with SRAM or stick with what I’m happy with Shimano?February 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm #95127
Big question first I guess would be are you doing a complete group and what configuration….2×9,2×10,3×9,3×10. Both brands work well…I find however I prefere the feel of the Sram to that of Shimano. I feel there is a more positive shift with Sram. I also love the construction of Sram..Solid components, easy to work with and set up and in the 2×10 they come in colors to match your build…February 8, 2011 at 6:27 pm #95128"element22" wrote
Big question first I guess would be are you doing a complete group and what configuration….2×9,2×10,3×9,3×10. Both brands work well…I find however I prefere the feel of the Sram to that of Shimano. I feel there is a more positive shift with Sram. I also love the construction of Sram..Solid components, easy to work with and set up and in the 2×10 they come in colors to match your build…
Well I guess another question for me would be just that? I almost never use my smallest chainring which makes me think I should switch to a 2x but I can’t decide. I feel like once I make that switch I’ll need or want that granny ring. Also, are most SRAM and Shimano components compatible with each other and how do I know which are or are not? For example, can I use a SRAM shift levers with Shimano derailleurs?February 8, 2011 at 7:29 pm #95129
You can use a SRAM shifter for shimano front derailluer and vice versa. But you cannot for rear derailluers…. I like shimano over SRAM becasue the shifters are a push-push/pull configuration as apposed to SRAM’s push-push.February 8, 2011 at 8:19 pm #95130
Actually this years stuff your going to have to be careful as things are splintering off into different technologies. Sram now has 1:1 and what they call exact actuation…1:1 is the 9spd stuff and the exact actuation is 1:1 pull as well but works on 10spd only.. To confuse matters more. 2x and 3x use different shifter pods as well as front derailleurs. All this is only on the Sram side of the coin..
Shimano has a split on the x9 (Mega9) and x10 (Dyna-sys), and just like Sram parts cannot be mixed. One thing i do not see is a 2x specific front derailleur. But I do notice that the XTR is the only true 2 ring set up from Shimano.
When building up a 2X set up from Sram you can for cost reasons mix X0,X9,X7 and still have a good working bike. For example you can run an x7 crank with x9 shifters and front derailleur and an X0 rear derailleur with no worries. I have a few bikes already running 2X10 XO and X9 and one bike a 1X10 XO mixed with Descendant cranks..All of them work super.February 8, 2011 at 8:31 pm #95131
Man, this can get confusing! I guess to make things easy, I should look for a complete group and not mix and match brands.
@e22: I think I remember another thread you posted something along the lines of a true 2x and just removing a little ring isn’t a true 2x. What’s the difference?February 8, 2011 at 8:34 pm #95132
^^^ Yet another reason to go shimano. 😆February 8, 2011 at 8:49 pm #95133
As I mentioned before…..Shimano has the exact same issues…..
Sram however give you way more choices than Shimano as Shimano only has the XTR avaliable with 2X up front….XT is still 3X as well as SLX…February 8, 2011 at 9:25 pm #95134
Another big thing with true 2X10 systems. The gearing work a bit better for one thing the 26/36 rings are closer together which for one thing reduce the number of recovery shifts needed. Also and this is a biggy. Both gears are closer to the lower pivot on most full suspension bikes. This one small often overlooked feature is a big plus to the handling and feel of your bike when your on the pedals cranking and hitting obsticals at the same time. The forces from the crank will not influence the suspension travel seeing that the chainline is almost in the same plane and the reactive forces of the lower arm.
3X systems have the small ring far off from the lower pivot and when in the small ring will cause the suspension to react..February 9, 2011 at 3:41 am #95135
Shimano vs Campy. Shimano vs SRAM. Choices, choices. Shimano has been the best system for years as far as service and reliability. Every bike shop on the planet has parts and pieces for Shimano. SRAM has some compatibility with Shimano and different colors (woo) so it sounds like Shimano is the standard. Both systems have advantages but Shimano is the number one OEM manufacturer. Why do the manufacturers choose Shimano? Reliability, ease of service (warranty) and customer satisfaction. Easy to see I’m a Shimano fan. SRAM doesn’t come close to Shimano on high quality fishing equipment. Oh crap! Another comparison! 😄 Later,February 9, 2011 at 4:25 am #95136
Fat_billy, your not wanting to make many friends now are you?February 9, 2011 at 4:28 am #95137"element22" wrote
As I mentioned before…..Shimano has the exact same issues…..
Sram however give you way more choices than Shimano as Shimano only has the XTR avaliable with 2X up front….XT is still 3X as well as SLX…
SRAM may be the way to go if I go 2x because XTR is just out of my budget right now.February 9, 2011 at 5:49 am #95138
Sram seems to be cutting into shimano’s market recently. I recently went with a Sram 1×9 setup after 6 years of SSing. LOVE IT!! Flawless.February 9, 2011 at 5:53 am #95139"Gike" wrote
Sram seems to be cutting into shimano’s market recently. I recently went with a Sram 1×9 setup after 6 years of SSing. LOVE IT!! Flawless.
Interesting! 1×9! Haven’t thought about that. What kind of riding do you do? What are your trails like? How come you like so much over SS?February 9, 2011 at 7:18 am #95140"ChiliPepper" wrote
[quote="joetutt":3vhtn6wf][quote="Gike":3vhtn6wf]Sram seems to be cutting into shimano’s market recently. I recently went with a Sram 1×9 setup after 6 years of SSing. LOVE IT!! Flawless.
Interesting! 1×9! Haven’t thought about that. What kind of riding do you do? What are your trails like? How come you like so much over SS?[/quote:3vhtn6wf]
Joe, all you need is a 1×9 set-up here in FL, and less parts to replace and cuts down just a bit on the weight as well. I will never go back to 3×7/8/9 or 2×7/8/9. The only way i would go back to 3 x or 2x is if I moved out of FL, which is in the workings, but got postponed for this year anyways.[/quote:3vhtn6wf]
What size ring do you have chili?February 9, 2011 at 8:31 am #95141
element22, Not trying to make friends (didn’t know this was a dating site) or enemies. LOL I’m just an old time Shimano guy. I guess I need to do a survey and see how "nice" the SRAMERS are vs the Shimano and make sure they aren’t all Gen Xers vs old guys. Naah sounds like work so I’ll skip it. SRAM is making some impact in the Shimano dominant market. Maybe Campy will come out with a MTB group thay will only shift if you’re wearing wool shorts, who knows. I don’t know and it’s easy to see I haven’t seen the football since the kick off. 😄 Later,February 9, 2011 at 9:17 am #95142
Campy wayy back in the late 80ies early 90ies attempted to make a MTB group…It failed badly…
Suntour and Sunrace had better components than Campy back then for MTB….Today it’s mostly a two horse race.February 9, 2011 at 10:06 am #95143
element22, I’d forgotten Suntour, You must be as old as me. I can fart dust, can you? LOL 😄 Later,February 9, 2011 at 2:07 pm #95144
I’m SRAM all the way! Killer components, super reliable. I like how bare-bones the SRAM derailleur designs are. Durable, and just (usually) keep on working. Haven’t tried any of the new groups out yet, but I like the old X-9 way better than the X-7.February 9, 2011 at 2:45 pm #95145
I am an old timer, using Fat Billy’s reasoning. I am a Shimano fan normally, but just bought my first bike using SRAM components and liking them so far. Still a fan of the rapidfire trigger system but getting used to the SRAM setup didn’t take long, as it is pretty intuitive. I am interested in switching this bike to a 2×10 setup after this season so I will watch this discussion and others like it with great interest!
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