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Hello- Iv been riding since the last week of August and have rode just about every weekend so far. I must say i love the sport so far. Its a great workout for me, and it gets me off the pc. I’m 32 years old and weigh 215 and 6’1". I say this because i’m wondering that me riding xc single track and fatiguing after a 2 hour 5-10 mile ride is my #1 reason i keep getting bucked off my bike at least once a ride so far. Always it feels more toward the end of my rides or thus after so it makes it. I ride a 2011 Trek Marlin 29er. It was a 2nd hand buy and all stock but the handle bars have been shorted i would say a 1\2 inch on each side or more compared to my friends. Mechanical brakes have been looked at twice by a shop and a experienced rider. Each making adjustments. My question i should sum is any advice why i would be getting bucked off so often? Braking maybe it skids a lot and locks up. Or me not knowing my stopping point to clumsiness? I would like to hear any advice please.
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What size is the bike?
Is the stem too short?
Are you grabbing a fistful of rear brake when instead you should be modulating the front?
It’s hard to know without some more details…
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The size is a 19"
The stem reads 105mm 15 degree
And me and braking is a on going learning process for sure. They have been set loose so that i can feel the full pull to stop. Because i told him they lock up quick and easily. The braking advice to me thus far is that "the front wheel does two thing turn and brake and not both at the same time". Yes again i have definitely threshold braked a couple of these dumps. -
also check the pre load on your front shock if its really bouncy over rocks and obstacles it can throw you off…you want it to absorb the rough stuff…i had to adjust mine a little and i also found i was grabbing the front brake going down large rocks and bucked me over the front…so now i know not too use the front brake in some cases. i’m 6’2” 240 pounds and just started riding in march
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I had been road biking for a long time. When I started dirt riding, I quickly found out that it was a whole different animal. The biggest difference is that you are riding on dirt. Regardless of how awesomely grippy your knobby tires are, you still are on dirt. Braking on dirt is all about finess and smooth control. That is why now-a-days most of the mountain bikes are becoming hydraulic disk brakes. This is mainly in an effort to better control how smooth and precicely you can slow down.
Try adjusting your brake lever position so that you grab the outer tip of the lever with your index and middle finger. The rest of your fingers should not be grabbing the brake lever. This gives you a mechanical advantage on the lever so that you can more pecisely modulate and control your braking with less effort.
Just remember that stabbing your brakes and constantly locking your brakes on dirt is a big no no. It is all about smooth precise control.
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I also noticed that you mentioned that you have a 105mm stem on your bike. That is a long stem setup that is more specific for XC. Good for speed because it hunkers you down more like a road bike and positions more of your weight on the front tire.
Putting on a shorter stem of around 80mm to 50mm, puts you in a more upright position and more of your weight on the back tire. Shifting your weight back lets you handle the technical and down hill stuff better (with less of a chance of flying end-over your handlebars). It also helps you with poping your front wheel up to get over obstacles.
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"blundar" wrote
…You can also move the seat back some on the rails to help with this. Shifting your weight back lets you handle the technical and down hill stuff better (with less of a chance of flying end-over your handlebars). It also helps you with poping your front wheel up to get over obstacles.
The saddle should be set to put your butt where it needs to be relative to the pedals, NOT to adjust reach. Get it out of whack and you’ll lose power output, tire faster, and possibly hurt your knees.
Sounds to me like you just need to practice your technique buddy. Ride with some more experienced riders, get them to give you pointers, watch how they handle things, ask questions, etc.
What do you mean exactly by ‘bucked off the bike’? Are you getting thrown forward over the handlebars?
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"dgaddis" wrote
[quote="blundar":1gspubmd]…You can also move the seat back some on the rails to help with this. Shifting your weight back lets you handle the technical and down hill stuff better (with less of a chance of flying end-over your handlebars). It also helps you with poping your front wheel up to get over obstacles.
The saddle should be set to put your butt where it needs to be relative to the pedals, NOT to adjust reach. Get it out of whack and you’ll lose power output, tire faster, and possibly hurt your knees.[/quote:1gspubmd]
My bad with the "move the seat back" statement *Strike that from the post*. The shorter stem part is still good…
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Are you trying to stay seated through the techy stuff? That would certainly contribute to getting bucked off the bike. Getting off the saddle will allow you use your body as an active part of the ride rather than as a victim of the terrain. The single biggest key is trying to keep your weight centered over your bottom bracket at all times. That means forward uphill and back downhill, the steeper the trail, the greater the fore/aft shift required. same goes for side to side when turning.
Your long stem is great for climbing but makes it tough to get your weight back on the downhill. While I like a long cockpit, I found shortening my stem made a world of difference in being able to control my bike on techy downs. If getting your center of mass back far enough means completely straightening your arms, you’re gonna’ have a tough time controlling the bike.
Mountain biking is a very dynamic activity and, on anything other than totally buff, you’re body must remain flexible and in constant motion to sustain momentum. As first, you may think all that motion is a needless use of energy but, trust me, it uses less energy than late reaction, overcorrection, and getting bucked off the bike. With miles, you’ll realize also that the motions can be subtle as well and, therefore, use even less energy.
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If you get a chance follow an experienced rider and watch how he/she rides the trail. Also when you say bucked off the bike, are your feet coming off the pedal? If so you may want clips so they don’t fall off which in return will make you more in control.
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Thanks for all the info. The term i used bucked off, im more meaning having to ditch my bike for whatever reason threw me off balance and or skidding out on a turn and picking myself up off the ground. Just tried generalizing it. After reading some of these replies it got me looking into fitting my bike for me. Iv not really done this yet and found a few checklist ill try to go through this weekend. My hands become sore quick so i read i must be hold my weight forward to much. The stem my be my first upgrade. @ brain w. i have been reading all the benefits of clips but feel a bit under skill yet?? I just read the (101 READ THE PATH AHEAD) article and found it describes my ridding style thus far. As to being- Short-sighted view, looking at the next obstacle and reacting quickly all ride just could be fatiguing me quickly. I do ride with a group of new riders and there are a couple of experienced riders that have introduced us to new trails. Ill have to focus on some question to ask them when i get to see them next.
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i ride both montain and road. don’t have clip for my road bike yet but want them. never thought i want them on my mountain bike but i did get clip on it. it makes a big difference. not only does it keep you on the peddles through the rough stuff, it also helps you climb as both legs work. they call them clipless and the ones to go with are the ones that say spd those are ajustable. that is what i have and can unclip very easy. if you can remember push down with front foot lift up with back foot each time and still keep up with everything else it is worth a try whenever. i say whenever cause if you get use to platforms it can be more challenging to change. but i have had no problems and am glad i got them as i feel more exercized and less wore out and more in control. i got mine from pricepoint.com and they have shoe and peddle combos that are cheaper than just getting shoes from bike store. just something to think about and maybe try. i’m glad i did.
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"D.J._" wrote
Thanks for all the info. The term i used bucked off, im more meaning having to ditch my bike for whatever reason threw me off balance and or skidding out on a turn and picking myself up off the ground. Just tried generalizing it. After reading some of these replies it got me looking into fitting my bike for me. Iv not really done this yet and found a few checklist ill try to go through this weekend. My hands become sore quick so i read i must be hold my weight forward to much. The stem my be my first upgrade. @ brain w. i have been reading all the benefits of clips but feel a bit under skill yet?? I just read the (101 READ THE PATH AHEAD) article and found it describes my ridding style thus far. As to being- Short-sighted view, looking at the next obstacle and reacting quickly all ride just could be fatiguing me quickly. I do ride with a group of new riders and there are a couple of experienced riders that have introduced us to new trails. Ill have to focus on some question to ask them when i get to see them next.
if your hands are fatigued that is a good signal you may be leaning too far forward. your weight should be over the cranks using your legs like pistons as you would in skiing. if you’re grabbing the bars too hard, or are too pitched forward, you’ll lose the natural ‘pivot’ of keeping the weight over the cranks, and thus the balance on the bike. for example, as the trail gets steep, let the bike fall out from under you by keeping your arms loose (not your grip on the bars or a baby head could send you) but standing up on the cranks. watch pro dh riders. their bikes shake rattle and roll all over the place but their helmets stay in a smooth straight line.
another thing along this line, don’t keep your seat high. for climbs, okay, but as you go down you won’t be using it as much and really not needed for efficient pedal stroke. so lower it a couple of extra inches and cruise.
and oh yeah, a 29er???
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If your hands get sore, you may be holding your grips to hard. Also the pedals, clippless are small and you need to clip-im with cleats. In the past many rode with "toe-clips" or clips which had you place your toe into a basket and then straps to tighten. These were harder to get your feet out quickly.
As a side note, I have been riding since ’92 and still pick up things watching, following and riding with other riders.
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I’d also recommend picking up http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywor … 6v3e384p_b For a much more thorough break down of Technic. Central to MTB is "attack position" weight balanced over bottom bracket, elbows flexed and out, knees flexed, head up, hands neutral(loose on bars). In breaking your effective CG shifts forward so to be "over" it you must move your weight back smoothly as you apply breaks, and forward as you release.
I’m still new at this to. I’m still amazed what rock gardens I can get through with just that position, and riding it out when I might want to bail. 😃 -
Can’t give any biking advice because I still suck, but I can tell you that falling when you’re new is normal and does increase when you’re tired. If you don’t ever fall you’re never going to improve. Fell a ton when I first started and still crash a couple of times every time I ride. Started in June and have broken bones on more than one occassion, so don’t worry about it. Keep riding hard!
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"Gdb49" wrote
Can’t give any biking advice because I still suck, but I can tell you that falling when you’re new is normal and does increase when you’re tired. If you don’t ever fall you’re never going to improve. Fell a ton when I first started and still crash a couple of times every time I ride. Started in June and have broken bones on more than one occassion, so don’t worry about it. Keep riding hard!
Not sure what kind of riding you do, but if it’s just regular trail riding you shouldn’t be falling a couple of times every ride. That means you’re doing something very very wrong and you’re just going to end up hurt and off the bike for a while, which SUCKS. And medical bills takes money out of the bike fund 😃 Freeride, dirt jumping, etc is another story obviously.
I’ve never subscribed to the idea that crashing means you’re getting better. Crashing just means you screwed up IMO. Yeah, it happens to everyone every so often, but learn from the mistake and don’t do it again.
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I don’t agree with the part of hurting yourself as being normal and your getting better at riding because of it.
Don’t over-think it. Only you know how comfortable you are with your own riding skills. If you see an obstacle or part of the trail ahead that looks to be too difficult for your riding level at the time, then there is nothing wrong with stopping and walking through it instead.
Eventually with more time on the saddle, all of it will become so much easier.
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the acceptance of the notion of "wrecking being part of it" goes away with age, and after you wreck a little bit harder than whats funny…for instance broken bone, bike or spirit. Thats when you really learn to focus on technique, form, and control-which all leads to more fun on the bike, catching your breath because your winded…not because it was knocked out of you. Stick with it, take your time, watch some of the instructional videos out there. I watched several my first year and chose one technique at a time and applied what the yahoo’s making the video were saying on my next ride, and choosing to apply it or just keep it in the "tool kit" for future reference. Lastly, go to a SORBA meeting in your area, you’ll learn a lot about the trails you are riding, tips for riding them, and meet other like minded folks who typically LOVE LOVE to teach and talk about biking, typically while drinking beer.
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Go to bookstore or online and pick up a copy of mastering mountain bike skills by Brian Lopez and lee mccormick. I guaratee you 100% you will improve if you practice. I have been riding 10 years and bought the book and improved so much. It helped me really break bad habits in addition to adding to my skills. Let me know how you like the book.(
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"MTI" wrote
Go to bookstore or online and pick up a copy of mastering mountain bike skills by Brian Lopez and lee mccormick. I guaratee you 100% you will improve if you practice. I have been riding 10 years and bought the book and improved so much. It helped me really break bad habits in addition to adding to my skills. Let me know how you like the book.(
Could’t agree more, great book. Helped me with just about every aspect of riding.
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"klowe8828" wrote
the acceptance of the notion of "wrecking being part of it" goes away with age, and after you wreck a little bit harder than whats funny…for instance broken bone, bike or spirit. Thats when you really learn to focus on technique, form, and control-which all leads to more fun on the bike, catching your breath because your winded…not because it was knocked out of you. Stick with it, take your time, watch some of the instructional videos out there. I watched several my first year and chose one technique at a time and applied what the yahoo’s making the video were saying on my next ride, and choosing to apply it or just keep it in the "tool kit" for future reference. Lastly, go to a SORBA meeting in your area, you’ll learn a lot about the trails you are riding, tips for riding them, and meet other like minded folks who typically LOVE LOVE to teach and talk about biking, typically while drinking beer.
Wasn’t trying to say it’s good to crash. Sounded like the poster of this thread was feeling down on his skills based on crashing and I was just trying to say it’s normal and not to worry too much about crashing as a beginer. Having said that- I do believe that if you don’t push your level in any sport you will improve at a very slow rate. I turn 50 this year and feel the pain as much as the next guy, but stand by the ride hard concept. Temper it to fit your level of comfort and desire to challange yourself. Crashing is the natural answer to pushing your limits or a sign of bad technique, adapt and learn. Hopefully you learn to match your skill level with your challanges and limit crashing.
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Don’t beat yourself up (no pun intended) well maybe a little 😎. Falling or crashing happens from time to time. The more time you put in to riding and becoming more familiar with your bike the better you will become. It’s just a matter of getting out there and hitting the trails. You’ll come to a point where you and your bike feel like one (I know that sounds corny) but its true. You will develop an understanding and feel for the bike and it’s components and your confidence will build. Eventually you’ll know exactly how fast to hit that turn and at what angle your bike holds that line and comes out clean and fast.. You’ll learn a lot from your mistakes, for instance on day one, within my first 15 minutes of the riding season 2011 I learned to give myself more than 2 bikes length when trailing behind my buddy or anyone for that matter lol. He went left to avoid a falling tree limb, I was too close to avoid it, didnt see it and cracked a rib. Just stick with it, mountain biking is too awesome to give up…
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Just because you crash doesn’t mean you always get hurt. Learning how to fall properly is a good skill to have.
Also, I WOULD say that falls should be expected every now and then when progressing your technical skills on challenging trails. I don’t like falling so I try to avoid it, and as a result I think I have stagnated in my skill progression to some degree. (The lack of technical trails near me hasn’t helped either.)
For those of you who are strictly XC guys… of course becoming a better XC rider doesn’t require falling. Once you’ve mastered the basic skills, mountain biking becomes more of an endurance thing. In that application, it becomes all about fitness, stamina, power, speed, etc. There’s still a certain level of skill required but not like it is in other disciplines.
But if you want to advance as an aggressive, technical rider, I’d say expect some crashes.
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"mtbgreg1" wrote
But if you want to advance as an aggressive, technical rider, I’d say expect some crashes.
+1. Crashing is most definitely part of the game when you start to step outside of your comfort zone on tech sections, rock gardens, skinnies, jumps, etc… If you are falling more than you prefer maybe turn it down a notch? 😎
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"jtorlando25" wrote
[quote="mtbgreg1":3tvfmbyz]But if you want to advance as an aggressive, technical rider, I’d say expect some crashes.
+1. Crashing is most definitely part of the game when you start to step outside of your comfort zone on tech sections, rock gardens, skinnies, jumps, etc… If you are falling more than you prefer maybe turn it down a notch? 😎[/quote:3tvfmbyz]
….or wear armor
soft armor nowadays is light, flexible and almost unnoticeable when riding. it will give you the confidence to try something you might not have, and carry enough speed to make it through.
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"JSatch" wrote
….or wear armor
soft armor nowadays is light, flexible and almost unnoticeable when riding. it will give you the confidence to try something you might not have, and carry enough speed to make it through.
Armor is nice to stop you from getting beat up too bad but it doesn’t stop bones from breaking (or most recently for me, a shoulder from separating) you still have to ride within your skill set.
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I’ve been on both sides of this discussion. I started riding in March 2012. I watched alot of beginner videos and progressed fairly well in my skills. I started getting more and more aggressive in my riding and was always ready to try something new. Then on September 29th I was going down a tall, steep roller and went OTB. I broke my collarbone and was out of work for 2 weeks and off the bike for 8 weeks. I’m 42 with a family. I found out that riding aggresively just isn’t worth the stress that an injury puts on a job and family. I’m back riding now, and I probably ride more now than I did before the wreck. But, I am careful to stay within my skills. I am currently riding all the "blue" (intermediate) trails and I’m slowly creeping into the black diamond world. I’m enjoying the ride, having fun, and improving my physical condition. There’s no rush to be Superman.
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"JeffX264" wrote
…I’m 42 with a family. I found out that riding aggressively just isn’t worth the stress that an injury puts on a job and family. I’m back riding now, and I probably ride more now than I did before the wreck. But, I am careful to stay within my skills. I am currently riding all the "blue" (intermediate) trails and I’m slowly creeping into the black diamond world. I’m enjoying the ride, having fun, and improving my physical condition. There’s no rush to be Superman.
Exactly! As I previously said:
"blundar" wroteI don’t agree with the part of hurting yourself as being normal and your getting better at riding because of it. Don’t over-think it. Only you know how comfortable you are with your own riding skills. Eventually with more time on the saddle, all of it will become so much easier.
When I ride now-a-days, the things that are going through my mind are:
1. Read the path ahead (read my article on this topic in the beginner section)
2. Maintain momentum
3. Maintain a steady breathing rate (to keep from gassing out)
4. Stay hydrated
5. Always ride within my skill level
6. Have fun and enjoy the ride -
Crashed today and it hurt. Over the bars and a couple tumbles to boot. Rode lots of Techy stuff today and didn’t crash until I was on an easy part of the trail- lost focus. Crashing is part of riding, it can not be avoided, but it sucks. Will be out again tomorrow and will probably have to take it a little easier, as I am very sore. Think I would quit riding if I didn’t crash.
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"Gdb49" wrote
Can’t give any biking advice because I still suck, but I can tell you that falling when you’re new is normal and does increase when you’re tired. If you don’t ever fall you’re never going to improve. Fell a ton when I first started and still crash a couple of times every time I ride. Started in June and have broken bones on more than one occassion, so don’t worry about it. Keep riding hard!
To quote something I heard some where. "No pain, …No pain"
I have crashed, and sure I guess it builds caractor, but not so much on building skill.
OBTW one common mistake for beginners that I’m still prone to is grabbing brake in a turn. If you go in to fast the brake wont help. Get speed right b4 entry, then get your weight on the out side pedal, lean and carve it. When you get the hang you’ll know it because it’s magical. -
"Bubblehead10MM" wrote
When you get the hang you’ll know it because it’s magical.
Chasing after that magic feeling is one of the things that keeps bringing me back to the bike time and time again.
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To quote something I heard some where. "No pain, …No pain"
I have crashed, and sure I guess it builds caractor, but not so much on building skill.
OBTW one common mistake for beginners that I’m still prone to is grabbing brake in a turn. If you go in to fast the brake wont help. Get speed right b4 entry, then get your weight on the out side pedal, lean and carve it. When you get the hang you’ll know it because it’s magical.[/quote]
I know I’m guilty of this and still can’t seem to get away from doing it.
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I’m a work in progress. Right now I’m a little bit in a get back in the saddle faze from last falls crashes.
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